The people VS. a rigged UK election

[Peter Dow]

I have intervened against the rigging of this election, not so much intervened "in" the election. I am not pretending all is free and fair amongst the candidates or those who might want to be candidates or otherwise participate in a free and fair election.

The UK broadcasters have their favourite parties and candidates and no-one else gets much of a hearing.

Clegg, Cameron & Brown

I don't need to download the Lib-Dem manifesto to know it is yet another right-wing royalist manifesto which defends Queen Elizabeth as head of state followed by Prince Charles becoming King when Elizabeth dies. In that respect it is the same as the Labour and Conservative manifestos.

I'd like the people to win the contest between
* the people VS. a rigged election
and the only way the people can win in a rigged election is if the election itself loses by being exposed and understood as rigged by the UK to conserve the status quo, and therefore the election results ought to be taken with several tanker loads of salt and generally disrespected as rigged and undemocratic.

Iraq, Afghanistan & Clegg the appeaser conservative royalist

Clegg's opposition to liberal democracy in Afghanistan is not as obvious as his opposition to liberal democracy in Iraq admittedly.

Not like with Iraq when Clegg's opposition to the liberation of Iraq and liberal democracy for the Iraqi people was naked opposition, as was the naked opposition of the Stop the War Coalition, who seemed content to leave the dictator Saddam Hussein calling the shots and to resist moves to establish Iraqi liberal democracy.

With Iraq, Clegg and StWC were nakedly anti-liberal democracy and anti-social. They were 100% for appeasing Saddam. Not one whiff of Winston Churchill conservatism there.

StWC are not so happy with Clegg over Afghanistan though.

Speaking out

However, none of the major parties is promising to pull troops out if they get into government and only the Scottish National Party ? confined to one part of the UK ? is calling for an honest reappraisal of the operation. The Lib Dem leader, Nick Clegg, last week made much of his record of "speaking out pretty forcefully" on Afghanistan.

But his manifesto commits the party to being "critical supporters of the Afghanistan mission'', albeit with a pledge to match the military surge to a strategy of tackling corruption and winning over moderate Taliban.

The Lib Dem defence spokesman, Nick Harvey, yesterday conceded that anti-war voters have few choices. "If they are against the whole principle of being involved [in Afghanistan], they'll struggle to find anyone putting that case," he said. For opponents of the war, the lack of differentiation between the three main parties and their failure to embrace the Afghan question during the first two weeks of the election campaign amounts to a "conspiracy of silence" to suppress debate.

Well there is no conspiracy of silence about the anti-social, anti-democratic and anti-liberal Stop the War Coalition here. The StWC are the enemy and I'm never silent about the enemy.

Note the duplicity of Clegg, Brown and Cameron over Afghanistan: whilst fighting the Taliban with one hand (British forces in Afghanistan) they seem to support the Taliban with the other hand, as supporters of the UK monarchy, allying themselves with the Arab monarchies, who with their vast oil sales receipts, are pampered customers of UK plc but who also allow a portion of this oil wealth to seep into funding support for Al Qaeda, the Taliban and their war against western-style liberal democracy which threatens the absolute Arab monarchies.

StWC want withdrawal of UK/British/US/NATO forces from Afghanistan which would allow the Taliban license to execute liberated women, denying education for women and the other anti-social horrors of ultra-conservative religious or monarchist rule in Afghanistan. StWC must want a defeat for liberal democracy to be seen everywhere in the Middle East and throughout the world.

So the StWC are blatant opponents of liberal democracy in Afghanistan whereas with Clegg, Brown and Cameron it is a mixed and confused message, much more like Winston Churchill's mixed conservative message of fighting Hitler yet supporting a UK monarchy which did much by appeasement to allow the rise of Hitler.

UK royalists are mostly not so much conspiracy fiends as short-sighted reckless twits and in a similar way to the captain did not mean to sink the Titanic, these twits probably do not mean to have a for-and-against policy as regards the Taliban either, not while British forces are exchanging fire with them and stepping on their improvised explosive devices in Afghanistan anyway.

Other points
* The BNP should have been banned
* The Conservatives cannot be trusted with the welfare state

[flyingscotsman]

I agree with much of what you say

To say that the election prime minister broadcasts were undemocratic is an understatement.  Look what happened in the polls, with no SNP or other minor party, the SNPs share of the vote decreased quite significantly after the broadcasts.  Is that fair?  Not in my book.  Everyone starts from the same point and in this case they should have been involved in the broadcasts.

I also have a problem with Labour.  Glaswegians constantly vote for them while keeping them down.   They shut dozens of schools because of funding in Glasgow but now in this election they talk about building schools.  They talk about creating millions of jobs.  Pity they didnt think about it 5 years ago.  Of course this is probably a load of propaganda that they like to use.  And what about the controversy of SPT, run by a bunch of Labour cronies with no real want to upgrade the Subway system (although funnily enough you always heard about subway upgrade stories from the Evening Times praising Labour at the same time)

And then there are the newspapers in Scotland, most of them are for Labour so you hear all the negative stories about the SNP, of course most of them are either lies and/or exaggerated.

Stories like these ones
http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/politics/election-webwatch-snp-is-losing-online-voters-claims-killer-app-1.1025665
http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/politics/gray-targets-snp-1.1025727
http://news.scotsman.com/news/General-Election-2010-Electorate-39rejecting.6272441.jp

And many more

And guess who is going to win, the Conservatives.  The last time they were in power Scotland was hit severely while the South of England prospered, loss of manufacturing jobs, steel plants, and high unemployment.  And that was with Labour being supported in Scotland, and what did they do, not much.  Now the Conservatives will look to change the Barnett Formula so that Scotland receives less money, I dont trust Labour with this at all.  I trust the SNP to look after issues and the affairs of Scotland more than any other party.

Rant over

[cheekybessom]

 Well fly for the first time ever my auld da has finally seen the light he is almost 85 and am so proud of him he voted SNP for the first time  in his life. I have been telling him for 40 years to change his vote.
I think all the newspapers are labour biased. As to the tories 25,000 people a year left Glagow when that auld bitch thatcher was in I was one of them. I can see the same thing happening again. My cousin says if the tories treat Scotland the same way again people will turn to the SNP, I think that's wishfull thinking. any how am off to see if I can find coverage

[flyingscotsman]

Good on your dad voting the right way

Well it looks like we have a hung parliament, noone with a majority but the Conservatives are in pole position.

The SNP still have 6 seats and were one of the few that didnt lose seats, I guess thats a good thing.  Hopefully we may have some influence to pass laws in the UK government.

Although i couldnt run it.  I would happily build an online newspaper site dedicated to a different point of view over the other parties, namely the point of view of SNP and independence.  Although i wouldnt do it for free of course!  It would only be fair to balance the points of view.

Thatcher   Although I despise this woman and government I can understand why they had those policies.  After Labour ruining the country in the late 70s (not unlike today) hard policies had to be instigated.  But I fear this will happen again.  But the voters have only themselves to blame when that happens.